VVSGOF Comment Feed http://vvsg.org/ Comment feed for the VVSG Open Forum. en-us Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:44:21 EST Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:44:21 EST http://vvsg.org/commentfeed.php Overvoltage spec http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part3/chapter05-16.php?comments=part3/chapter05-16.php#111 \\\"... permanent overvoltage of 110% of the nominal 120 V rating ...\\\" A 110% overvoltage could mean that the total applied voltage is 120 v plus 110% of 120 v, or (120 + 132) v for 252 v total. I hope this is not what is meant. It would be good to clarify this, perhaps just stating what the total \\\'permanent withstand\\\' voltage is for a nominal 120 v supply. (I\\\'m guessing 132 v?) Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:22:11 EST See COTS in glossary http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter06-160.php?comments=part1/chapter06-160.php#110 The glossary defines COTS as: "Software, firmware, device or component that is used in the United States by many different people or organizations for many different applications and that is incorporated into the voting system with no manufacturer- or application-specific modification. Discussion: (1) The expansion of COTS as Commercial Off-The-Shelf is no longer helpful, since much of what satisfies the requirements is noncommercial software that is not available in stores. The acronym COTS is used here only because it is familiar to the audience. (2) By requiring "many different applications," this definition deliberately prevents any application logic from receiving a COTS designation." gcc would satisfy the requirement, for example. Mon, 11 Feb 2008 8:28:43 EST validate http://vvsg.org/todo.php?comments=todo#109 w3c validation. <a>xhtml</a> Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:41:16 EST Should be specified http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter06-300.php?comments=part1/chapter06-300.php#108 This document should specify the acceptable format(s) for this data. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:54:46 EST Test Labs http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter06-160.php?comments=part1/chapter06-160.php#107 A better way to state this requirement would be that test labs should be able to compile everything using an independently available compiler. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:53:17 EST Language Dependent http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter06-130.php?comments=part1/chapter06-130.php#106 The number of lines of code it takes to do certain tasks is language dependent. This requirement might be hard to follow with certain languages. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:50:02 EST IVVR Prevents Confidentiality http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter05-2.php?comments=part1/chapter05-2.php#105 The IVVR prevents confidentiality of voting records with cryptography. This statement should be removed. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:34:55 EST DRE Requirement http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter04-132.php?comments=part1/chapter04-132.php#104 This should be a requirement of the DRE, not the VVPAT. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:33:23 EST Impossible http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter04-118.php?comments=part1/chapter04-118.php#103 This requirement is impossible to verify. It is better to state this non-negatively. For example: "The system SHALL prevent the user..." Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:30:57 EST Interface? http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter04-112.php?comments=part1/chapter04-112.php#102 What about standard interface requirements? (e.g. "the printer should communicate with postscript") Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:29:04 EST Definition of Random? http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter04-44.php?comments=part1/chapter04-44.php#101 What is the VVSG definition of an acceptable randomization routine? It should be referenced here. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:18:35 EST Pollbook is Independent http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter04-6.php?comments=part1/chapter04-6.php#100 The poll book software is largely independent of the vote gathering and tabulation (unless bound together with activation cards). A better requirement would be that voting stations should report the total number of voters for comparison with a poll book. Poll book software should be certified independently of the voting system unless bundled together with it. In that case, it should be treated like an activation system, not a poll book. The terminology "secure pollbook" is unnecessary. What is the VVSG's definition of a "secure pollbook"? Does it differ from a certified pollbook? Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:10:39 EST Privacy Concerns http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter03-340.php?comments=part1/chapter03-340.php#99 Certain types of speech should not be permitted. For example, I should be able to say "Yes" or "No" to candidates spoken to me (in random order), but I should not be able to say "George Bush", as someone would be able to hear me say that. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:59:00 EST Observers http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter03-298.php?comments=part1/chapter03-298.php#98 Coercion is a problem when there is an assistant. You can deal with this problem byhaving observers of opposing parties observe the assistant. The requirement should be changed such that observers can have room to observe theassistant. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:55:35 EST Applicable to All Cultures? http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter03-120.php?comments=part1/chapter03-120.php#97 I have heard that some cultures perceive colors differently. It might be useful, ifthe ballot were presented in a language other than English, that colors conform tocommon convention of the culture to which that language belongs. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:47:17 EST Needs a limit http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter03-112.php?comments=part1/chapter03-112.php#96 The requirement is subjective. What is a reasonable limit to the number of candidates a contest should havebefore this requirement can be ignored? 10? 100? Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:45:35 EST Improper Term http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter03-78.php?comments=part1/chapter03-78.php#95 "No Receipts" is misleading, it would be better to say "NoPrivacy Leaking/Revealing Receipts". Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:43:35 EST Intimidation implies "with cooperation" http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter03-68.php?comments=part1/chapter03-68.php#94 Obviously, I can intimidate you to cooperate with me to violate your right toprivacy. Every effort should be made to make sure, even with cooperation from thevoter, that privacy is maintained. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:38:35 EST Why? http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter03-60.php?comments=part1/chapter03-60.php#93 Why is it different from undervoting? If anything, this is a specific case of undervoting. Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:34:23 EST Unverifiable http://vvsg.org/vvsg/part1/chapter03-52.php?comments=part1/chapter03-52.php#92 How can you verify that the system can always do this? What if there is a hardwarefailure? For example, what if the screen fails and goes black? How long is a "freeze"? If it sticks for a second or two, does thatconstitute a "freeze"? I feel that this requirement is untestable and unattainable. It would be better torequire that machines have logic that indicates failure (e.g. a blue screen ofdeath that does not say "YOUR VOTE WAS NOT COUNTED" would fail thetest, as would a system who's screen went blank and did not have logic to BEEP orturn an LED RED to indicate machine failure). Also, partially completed ballotsshould not be added to the total (as, we assume, if it dies mid-way, a voter usesanother machine). Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:32:27 EST